August 24th, 2004  
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Primus Pilus
 
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Originally Posted by GuyontheRight
A Second Tours? What make Europe so important?
I'd like say it were that easy. However, this isn't going to be a one battle show and then it's over, that won't be the case here. You can compare this to Germany's invasion of Russia, even though the Germans smashed or captured multiple Russian armies, the Russians they still kept coming. This will be similar to that.

The reason that makes Europe so important is the fact the Islamics don't really get along with non-muslims, but they see as their two biggest enemies are Jews and Christians. The West being symbolic of Christianity. Their hatred towards us goes all the way back to the crusades, which they still hold against us, go figure. Besides you have to get it out of your mind that they think like us, their system of logic is completely different than ours, this is one of the things the West doesn't grasp when sometimes trying to figure them out.

Like I said one of their prophecies is that the Mahdi will destroy Rome. Whether this is literal Rome, or symbolic of the West I'm not sure. I believe it is literal, I think they tend to see Vatican City ( which is located in Rome ) as the seat of all Christendom. The destruction of this would be to them a symbolic act of great significance. Either way, the first step in destroying the West is through Europe.

The second reason for invading Europe, I'm quite sure see it as place of fertile lands and immense riches, ripe for plunder. This is proven by the fact that so many Muslims are immigrating there. They probably also see most europeans made soft and weak by all that luxury. Not mention with Islams population explotion, who knows, it may be the need for farm land that will be one the excuses they use to invade, the desert isn't exactly the best land for farming.

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Originally Posted by Chocobo_Blitzer
Launching large scale attacks would seem near impossible with the current air and artillery power today. True you show that 200 million stat, but really, human flesh can only push so far.
Human flesh can only push so far, true. But isn't this what the Russians did in order to stop and beat the Germans.

Like I said before, whoever decides to lauch an invasion won't be stupid about it, or they will get crushed. If they are smart, they will do it on their terms, takings maximum advatage of their strenghts.

With a 20 to 1 or more advantadge you will be able to out attrition anybody.

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But of course, can't ignore the intergrated militia cells in europe. Though I think they would be hard pressed to equip themselves well.... if much.
True. I'm hoping they won't be able to equip themselves. However you shouldn't underestimate thier ability to do so.

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also, I'd believe this more if it mentioned the red star asians becoming involved, not necessarily on their side, nor ours. Much like the axis in WWII, merely allies for neutrality and to serve eachothers gains.
I agree with this. In fact I see them having close ties with either Russia or China, in order to pull this off, although I didn't right it down. One reason is for purchasing of weapons, which those countries would be glad to sell.


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Very neat read, but it doesn't seem tragicly realistic. Though I do believe Islamic extremist are a threat. But covering a scale to put the WWII russian front to shame? I can't buy it, really....
It seems unraelistic from a single country perspective. However, from the perspective of an Empire with 1.5 billion people it makes much more sense.

But in order to even have a slim chance of succeeding in todays terms, you will have to put the WWII Russian front to shame.

How many divisions did the Russian have to take Germany? Around 100 to 150 maybe more in a 7 million man army, if I'm not mistaken. Well in todays terms in order for you to be able to take Europe with 150 divisions simply won't do. You might as well throw those men away, you have no chance of success. You will need a minimun 500 divisions, to have a so-so chance, 800 to 1000 to make sure. That's why I'm saying this will dwarf the Russian Front, in order for sucess the effort will have to be gigantic in a scale never seen before.

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