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Originally Posted by MontyB OK so the police are going stop and study videos and interview witnesses while people are shooting at each other? |
Are you frakking smoking crack?????
We don't interveiw folks while a gun fight is going on. WE FINISH THE DAMN GUN FIGHT!
As a Police Officer, I deal with the possibility of an event like what just happened in VA Tech happening in my area of patrol. We have One high School, One Middle School (Junior High School), Two Grade Schools, and One Community College/University.
We train in something called RAT (Rapid Action Tactics). It goes 100% against our standard traning for a gun fight... Seeking cover, securing rooms, making sure that folks behind you or around you aren't armed, etc....
RAT demands that we (police officers) run right into the middle of the fight and disable the bad guy.
Disable means either taking the bad guy into custody or if needed, shooting the bad guy.
As a civilian, before I bacame a police officer I was a CCW permit holder. I carried everywhere that I could because of situtations like this.
Israel has armed it's teachers.... Thailand has armed it's teachers.... Wisconsin had a bill that would have allowed for it's teachers to be armed....
In Mississippi, a teacher stopped something like this becase he had a firearm in his trunk. People still died. If he had been allowed to carry his firearm. he could've stopped the guman much sooner.
Police cannot be everywhere. We cannot patrol 15,000 students.
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http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658
Tuesday, January 31, 2006
Gun bill gets shot down by panel
HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.
By Greg Esposito
381-1675
A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.
House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.
The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.
Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."
Del. Dave Nutter, R-Christiansburg, would not comment Monday because he was not part of the subcommittee that discussed the bill.
Most universities in Virginia require students and employees, other than police, to check their guns with police or campus security upon entering campus. The legislation was designed to prohibit public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."
The legislation allowed for exceptions for participants in athletic events, storage of guns in residence halls and military training programs.
Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university's authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.
In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.
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Incident in VA:
As details of today's murder spree (no, it not a "tragedy" It's a crime!) in VA slowly trickle out, several facts are not in dispute:
(1) The perpetrator carried firearms onto a college campus in flagrant and contemptuous defiance of existing "rules" prohibiting guns on campus. Such rules were obviously a "deterrent" only to those who don't commit crimes anyway.
(2) Every innocent person who was shot was, at the time, unarmed and defenseless. There were no armed, good people physically present as murders were being committed. No one in a position to stop these crimes had the ability to confront the perpetrator with lethal force. And, nothing less was, or would have been, effective!
(3) Armed police responded aggressively, courageously, and about as fast as they've ever going to. Nonetheless, all murders had already been completed by the time they arrived. They did not get there in time to prevent a single one. They never fired a shot!
(4) With all recent, similar incidents, the foregoing has been the pattern. The usual "solutions" are predictably being regurgitated by leftist politicians and media socialists, ranging from airport-like security at the entrance to all educational buildings, to a camera on every corner! No one dares mention the only solution that can work, or has ever worked: good people, armed. To naive grasseaters, such a thing is beyond imagination!
Real Americans, however, are not waiting for assorted political gasbags to, once again, make their tired case for a Soviet-style police-state. I just talked with a friend who is a large gun retailer in CO. Today was his busiest, single sales day in several years. People flooded his store and carried away nearly every gun and round of ammunition he had in stock! Americans are weary of hearing about government "security plans." They are putting together their own, personal "security plan!"
Our Second Amendment, the original "Homeland Security," is alive and well, except in designated "Criminal Empowerment Zones," like college campuses!
/John Farnam
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