Post; It may not be JUST an ethical problem!

Chief Bones · December 10th, 2005

Having never been a Cadet, I have never been exposed to the exact situation you describe - but - as the Leading CPO within my division, I have been in similar situations.

When the problem consists of a junior female interacting with seniors, there is more than just an ethical question to be determined.

FIRST - is the young lady using her sex to try to influence or curry favors from senior people? Is a senior allowing this flirtation tactic to influence his decisions where the young lady is concerned?

SECOND - if the answer to either question is yes then you have a major problem on your hands that WILL require intervention by higher authority. Go to your Commanding Officer (or) Leading Enlisted person (man/woman) and lay the whole situation out for him/her and then follow his/her lead.

THIRD - if the answer is no to both questions, then as a senior cadet (enlisted/officer) you have the authority to place the junior person under the "control/stricture" of orders by counseling the young lady - by that I mean explain that no matter the fact that she is in civilians, she is still a cadet and is subject to the rules and regulations covering a cadet (makes no difference whether at a formal meeting or informally [anywhere]). Fraternization regulations are very firm/strict about this.

FINALLY - once you have pointed out where she is wrong, you then place her on notice by ordering her to not fraternize with the seniors under threat of non-judicial punishment. Make sure that she understands all of the counseling and that you record everything that you do and forward an informational copy (Formal Counselling Form - form designed for this purpose) to your Commanding Officer or Division Officer (whichever is appropriate).

Whenever you have occasion to be confronted by these "ethical" dilemmas, fall back on the regulations and you won't go wrong (whether a cadet or active military member - the book is never wrong).

December 10th, 2005
Chief Bones Forums Grumpy Old Man Gear	Post; It may not be JUST an ethical problem! Having never been a Cadet, I have never been exposed to the exact situation you describe - but - as the Leading CPO within my division, I have been in similar situations. When the problem consists of a junior female interacting with seniors, there is more than just an ethical question to be determined. *FIRST* - is the young lady using her sex to try to influence or curry favors from senior people? Is a senior allowing this flirtation tactic to influence his decisions where the young lady is concerned? *SECOND* - if the answer to either question is yes then you have a major problem on your hands that *WILL* require intervention by higher authority. Go to your Commanding Officer (or) Leading Enlisted person (man/woman) and lay the whole situation out for him/her and then follow his/her lead. *THIRD* - if the answer is no to both questions, then as a senior cadet (enlisted/officer) you have the authority to place the junior person under the "control/stricture" of orders by counseling the young lady - by that I mean explain that no matter the fact that she is in civilians, she is still a cadet and is subject to the rules and regulations covering a cadet (makes no difference whether at a formal meeting or informally [anywhere]). Fraternization regulations are very firm/strict about this. *FINALLY* - once you have pointed out where she is wrong, you then place her on notice by ordering her to not fraternize with the seniors under threat of non-judicial punishment. Make sure that she understands all of the counseling and that you record everything that you do and forward an informational copy (Formal Counselling Form - form designed for this purpose) to your Commanding Officer or Division Officer (whichever is appropriate). Whenever you have occasion to be confronted by these "ethical" dilemmas, fall back on the regulations and you won't go wrong (whether a cadet or active military member - the book is never wrong). __________________ Fair winds and following seas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < and long may your big jib draw. *-W.R.B. (Chief Bones) FCC(SW) USN(RET)-* Last edited by Chief Bones; December 10th, 2005 at 23:11. Reason: Troubleshooting a review and update problem.