About 17 september 1939 Page 8
|May 27th, 2010||#71|
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Step two - roll into defencless Germany.
Step three - watch the german defence collapse both in Poland and in the West due to complete lack of reserves.
How is that impossible?
You've just been given the facts, two weeks into the war Poland is succesfully leading an offensive larger than Normandy, three weeks into the war Poland still had more then 700.000 men.
Basically Poland did not lose either strategically or otherwise all the way into 17th, its army was intact, the main facilities were intact, the frontline was concentrated and Germany was stuck on Warsaw and Lwów completely unable to take both cities.
Unless you can provide proof that polish army was broken, routed or encircled (which it was not) or unable to further resist effectively, Poland did not lose untill the 17th when Russia invaded and focked up the rear.
Your claims are not only ignorant bollocks they're insulting given that it was Poland who was blowing the horn months in advance completely ignored untill the last day and then betrayed.
Poles gave Brits and French weeks of time by alarming them to Gerrman troop concentration, your points are insulting, ignorant and moronic, based on your own idiotic assumptions and opinions born out of arrogance and lack of any knowledge whatosever, its like discussing physics with an ape.
Next thing you'll say its Polands fault that French didnt attack and Brits didnt ship to France earlier.
|May 27th, 2010||#72|
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Are you telling me that the French army of 500.000 men with over 1000 tanks, over 3000 guns and over 300 armored cars could not take on 160.000 men with 200 WWI era cannons and rifles?
Poland made cracking the Enigma possible, Poland lent support during BoB that was so significant it probably saved UK, Poland was responsible for handing over V-2 technology to the West, Poland gave UK and France a year more to prepare for 1941 by inflicting such losses on Wechrmacht in 1939.
The West sure as f*ck had lots of obligations to Poland, which in the end didnt change anything, just like it was betrayed in 1939 Poland got sold in 1945.
Also i like how you ignore where Brits didnt allow Polish troops on the victory parade after polish pilots saved Britain and polish mathematicians allowed Enigma to be cracked and Blechley park to work by providing the punch plates technology.
|May 27th, 2010||#73|
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2) Britain had no 50000 men with tanks available and it would take weeks to transfer them to the front .
3)Poland was not leading an offensive larger than Normandy:your chauvinism is ridiculous.
4)About Poland having 700000 men:Hermany had still millions in 1945
5)On 15 th september,Germany was already transferring troops to the West.
6)military realities means that France was more than 1000 km remote from Poland.
7)you have not any knowledge of WWII .
8)you have only a big knowledge of terms of abuse,a substitute for your ignorance .
|May 27th, 2010||#74|
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2) that Poland saved Britain in the BOB :you are even more stupid than I thought.
3)inflicting such losses on the Wehrmachr? :50000 men .
4)the V2 was totally neglectable and only a waste of money .
5) why should Polish troops be allowed on the Victory parade ? Were the French allowed.It should only give troubles with the (puppet) government in Poland :the Polish troops were troops without country and without government .
|May 27th, 2010||#75|
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”Had it not been for the magnificent material contributed by the Polish squadrons and their unsurpassed gallantry, I hesitate to say that the outcome of battle would have been the same”
Only two nations were not part of the victory parade: Poland and Yugoslavia.
I saw a ghost behind the door, when the kids were coming home from the war, with broken dreams and nothing more!
|May 27th, 2010||#76|
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Thats over 150.000 men 10 times more tanks, 9 times more guns and 23 times more machineguns then the entire german force arrayed in the West, why werent these men in France months before september?
This offensive led to a massive battle that lasted two weeks, one german infantry division was almost completely destroyed, four others suffered catastrophic losses, 100% of german airforce and fast units had to be used in counterattack and it took a 2:1 numerical superiority by the Germans to finally halt the offensive.
Said offensive was in its most succesfull stage at the time when the French and Brits decided that Poland has lost the war (sic!)
For 2 weeks Germany was unable to draw a single soldier from Poland since it had to use them to contain the two Polish armies.
Now that you've been educated i'm waiting for you to kiss my arse and apologise, mind you the Wiki is innacurate in that it doesnt count Polish reserve forces which raise the number of belligerents by tens of thousands, also it significantly lowers the german forces by not counting the Landwehr divisions, at least 60.000 men.
Last edited by Panzercracker; May 27th, 2010 at 23:04..
|May 27th, 2010||#77|
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Made it in bold letters for you, as for their offensive strength? They had over 1500 armored vehicles and over 70.000 motorised troops as well as over 300.000 first line infantry against an enemy who had 200 WWI guns, several hundreds old machineguns and mortars and some minefields.
France army in sept 1939 had a massive offensive potential against an enemy who had no defensive capabilities whatsoever.
You seriously dont see anything wrong with this? I'm starting to suspect you came here from Axis forums or another neonazi site.
You sir are either a closet neo-nazi or just a bloody stupid twat.
|May 28th, 2010||#78|
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Right On. Eye-witness account here:-
Saturday September 7, 1940, 4.14 pm.
Black with death, black with bombers
Heinkels, Dorniers and Junkers, three hundred and forty-eight
Messerschmitt fighters, six hundred and seventeen
.Black with a canopy twenty miles wide
A black block of death, eight hundred square miles of sky
.Bombs on London, twelve hours
Bombs on London, seventy-six nights -
Nights in a row
Killing over forty-three thousand civilians
Incessant attack on lives
High explosive compression,
Pulling and pushing.
Sucking out eye-balls,
Ripping off clothes,
Tearing out breath.
Black with death
To crush the spirit of London.
I lost 2 homes in those 76 days - rubble and dust.
As for saving Poland - Britain just didn't have a magic wand available at the time. We just did what we could without question - we stood our ground.
English by the grace of God.
Last edited by Del Boy; May 28th, 2010 at 00:34..
|May 28th, 2010||#79|
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Please chill out a bit Panzer. Most guys just simply buy nazi/communist propaganda, about Poland being backward, worthless nation of barbarians. They dont give a damn. Every country did some wrong back then. Same goes for Poland I suppose. But in the west allies are seen as heroes, riding on white horse to kill nazi dragon. It reminds me of communist propaganda, before 1989. Same thing happens everywhere, just in different ways. I find it kinda sad.
|May 28th, 2010||#80|
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"The soul of Poland is indestructible, and she will rise again like rock which may for a spell be submerged by a tidal wave, but which remains a rock."
(WINSTON CHURCHILL, 1.10.1939)