Originally Posted by Team Infidel

I have had many opportunities to get out to include job opportunities. The only way I will get out before 22 or 24 years is 1) I die, or 2) the Army throws me out. That's the bottom line.

I don't think you'll be thrown out unless there is a MAJOR foul up!!

How long before LTC?

Once again, I could very easily google this for you, but I won't. There is no war in the U.S. history, that does not include members of the military refusing to fight and/or not supporting that particular war or that particular President. This is not a GW thing this is a some people are just that way thing. Knowing your history would help to keep you from making broad and general statements.

Oh it is a group with an agenda....

Some quick research and a who is search comes up with the following

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A google search of the owners name shows this...
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/resourc...s20040309.html

Just providing some information on the information

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I have a problem with this statement

Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) is a group of veterans who have served since September 11, 2001 including Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom. We are committed to saving lives and ending the violence in Iraq by an immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces. We also believe that the governments that sponsored these wars are indebted to the men and women who were forced to fight them and must give their Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, and Airmen the benefits that are owed to them upon their return home.

The problem I have is with the term FORCE, last time I checked you signed up for the military in the USA and if you thought you would just get a 4 year ride doing training you must be crazy...

I have the utmost repesect for our soldiers and feel they should be treated far better then some hollywood celeberity, however they did choose to be a US Soldier...

Donkey, this is how its supposed to be, question everything and find out what the source is. Good job.

Two years at hard labor and a dishonorable discharge. And I think something like this is too close to treason to take a chance.

Originally Posted by Missileer

Two years at hard labor and a dishonorable discharge. And I think something like this is too close to treason to take a chance.

I could buy the Dishonorable Discharge, I could buy time at hard labor - I am not sure about treason.

Supposedly, these individuals are military members that have already served in Iraq ......... (Don't quote me as being 100% right - just remember reading something about this that leads me to believe it were so).

I believe that they received bad legal advice, and thought Appeal of Redress was the way to go, to make their honest opinions and voices heard, where they couldn't be muzzled.

I have already stated "I consider this to be a clear violation of the oath they took at the time of their induction, and a clear break in the faith placed in them by all Americans."


It requires further investigation by military legal investigators - if it is as we believe - 100% illegal, then Courts Martial is called for where these 118 military members are concerned.

Each case needs to be looked at individually. There are always some coerced and those who just follow the crowd.

Originally Posted by Chief Bones

I could buy the Dishonorable Discharge, I could buy time at hard labor - I am not sure about treason.

Supposedly, these individuals are military members that have already served in Iraq ......... (Don't quote me as being 100% right - just remember reading something about this that leads me to believe it were so).

I believe that they received bad legal advice, and thought Appeal of Redress was the way to go, to make their honest opinions and voices heard, where they couldn't be muzzled.

I have already stated "I consider this to be a clear violation of the oath they took at the time of their induction, and a clear break in the faith placed in them by all Americans."


It requires further investigation by military legal investigators - if it is as we believe - 100% illegal, then Courts Martial is called for where these 118 military members are concerned.

Saying that they served in Iraq, may impress civilians, but it doesnt wash with me. Where and in what capacity would make a huge difference on how I viewed their opinions.

In that same venue, that fact that you are clearly against the administration and the war, but still clearly state that you dont like what they are doing, makes my respect for you higher( not that you give a rats a** what I think of you Chief)

I am pretty sure that speaking out against the CiC whilst in uniform is a UCMJ nono, and i hope they get there peepees smacked for it.

Dishonorable discharge for being and we're done here.

I agree with them, but when you sign up, you make a commitment that you can't break and I respect that.

Gunny and major, watch the language.