Topic: Worst Moment in Your Country's Millitary History

vargsriket · June 6th, 2005

Yeah. I guess it wasnt a justified war, more of a land grab one, but then again, rarely wars are justified, it's all about property.

I think the seniority problem is much more severe in the Russian army than in any other military foce around the world. I mean civilized, militarily advanced countries of course, I don't really know the kind of atrocities that happen in African or most of those under-developed countries. Mainly, the way I see it, is a problem with conscription. It's a chain reaction, new conscripts who do NOT want to be there are abused when they arrive for about a year or so, then after serving a year they become the seniors and take out their anger and rage torturing the new arrivals just as they were before. It's a vicious circle, so unless the army goes professional, ie, by contract, and not conscription, then I don't see the end of it. It's not very well publicized, but it's been a problem for decades, my father who was in the Army in the 70s said he saw it first hand. He wasn't himself abused only because of the kind of work he did, but it was EXTREMELY widespread, and all the high ranking officers closed their eyes at it, and ignored it, because a lot of these offenders were officers themselves or NCOs. Desertion is highly common, especially in Chechnya. Imagine with the stresses of war you have your fellow servicemen to torture and abuse you in teh barracks. That is why there are a lot of "accidents" with frags and/or incidents where the abused soldiers go berserk and shoot up a bunch of people with an AK-47 on full auto. You just don't hear about it much.

I don't think this is a problem with contractual armies, I've never heard of this happening in the US military besides some ocasional incidents, it's not a widespread occurance. Germany has a draft system in place, doesn't it? Maybe that is why it also happens there, to a lesser extent of course.

June 6th, 2005
vargsriket Immunes	Yeah. I guess it wasnt a justified war, more of a land grab one, but then again, rarely wars are justified, it's all about property. I think the seniority problem is much more severe in the Russian army than in any other military foce around the world. I mean civilized, militarily advanced countries of course, I don't really know the kind of atrocities that happen in African or most of those under-developed countries. Mainly, the way I see it, is a problem with conscription. It's a chain reaction, new conscripts who do NOT want to be there are abused when they arrive for about a year or so, then after serving a year they become the seniors and take out their anger and rage torturing the new arrivals just as they were before. It's a vicious circle, so unless the army goes professional, ie, by contract, and not conscription, then I don't see the end of it. It's not very well publicized, but it's been a problem for decades, my father who was in the Army in the 70s said he saw it first hand. He wasn't himself abused only because of the kind of work he did, but it was EXTREMELY widespread, and all the high ranking officers closed their eyes at it, and ignored it, because a lot of these offenders were officers themselves or NCOs. Desertion is highly common, especially in Chechnya. Imagine with the stresses of war you have your fellow servicemen to torture and abuse you in teh barracks. That is why there are a lot of "accidents" with frags and/or incidents where the abused soldiers go berserk and shoot up a bunch of people with an AK-47 on full auto. You just don't hear about it much. I don't think this is a problem with contractual armies, I've never heard of this happening in the US military besides some ocasional incidents, it's not a widespread occurance. Germany has a draft system in place, doesn't it? Maybe that is why it also happens there, to a lesser extent of course.